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waldir
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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Location: Viana do Castelo, Portugal
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 Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: some thoughts |
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1) Why isnt the "search overstream text" option enabled by default?
2) I actually started mine a looong time ago (I have asked before to show creation date, but currently It only says "Created and Modified x time ago", which in some cases is not true. I'm pretty sure my Zeitgeist the movie overstream was modified a fair amount of time after its creation, so separating those two concepts might not be a bad idea), but I had to stop in the middle because of school work. So I don't know at what extent it was a doomed enterprise from the beginning.
3) I saw respectively one and the other white and nerdy videos appearing on the side, under "Recent Search Results", while I was watching each of them. That brought me to an interesting thought - using similar tags (categories and languages could be used, too) to suggest related overstreams. I guess that's how YouTube calculates its related videos. I just hope it's not a patented approach xD
4) This whole thing brings me to another suggestion I have already made: Share overstreams!! We should be able to work with other overstreamers in the same overstream, especially since these may be sometimes hard to do. Personally, I have shared my account with a friend who has helped me finish some overstreams, but evidently changing my password and giving my login data to another person is sort of a hacked approach that we shouldn't have to do.
Anyway, thanks for pointing the other video. I am glad to see someone else took the work to provide a decent captioned video of this excellent song. |
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waldir
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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Location: Viana do Castelo, Portugal
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: sh*t |
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| wtf, i must have clicked "new topic" instead of "post reply", in my previous post. Please move this appropriately, mr.admin =P and sorry for the hassle. |
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waldir
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: oops |
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It just occurred to me that the related overstreams approach I suggested might already be in use; it evidently didn't show up each "white and nerdy" when showing the other, cause they aren't tagged similarly, as it is evident! lol
Perhaps related overstreams could also work with "search overstream text" enabled. But evidently it is preferable that people add tags. Maybe an approach like that of some professional network sites do: "Your profile is 67% complete. Add a position to bring you to 85%". You could, in the statistics page where you'd show the average score and viewcount of a user, show a "completeness" count, too, showing how often they use tags, select languages and categories, write descriptions, etc. And providing a quick link to a listing of these "problematic" overstreams would be really cool, since people could correct them right away. win-win! |
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grwebguy
Joined: 21 May 2007
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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I think their could be some specifics to include in categories/types/subtypes, things like
Music Video
TV Show
Movie/MovieTrailer
VLog
Advertisement
News
Those are the categories I would use - All mine fit in the category "Captions".
And oh yea, that "modified date" throws me off sometimes, because sometimes I collect the videos for later subtitling, and sometimes I have bigger or lower priority ones that I work on bit by bit. |
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overstream-admin
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Sorry for the silence, guys, I was busy with my day job 
| Quote: | | 1) Why isnt the "search overstream text" option enabled by default? |
Because this would produce too many spurious search hits - that's why it's not on by default.
| Quote: | | I'm pretty sure my Zeitgeist the movie overstream was modified a fair amount of time after its creation, so separating those two concepts might not be a bad idea) |
The concepts are separated, "Created And Modified" is only shown together in the case when the two are equal (so that I don't display Created: X, Last Modified: X). When I say "equal", I mean in terms of what would be displayed, so if an overstream were to be created 3 months and 10 days ago, but last modified 3 months and 5 days ago, what you will see is "Created and Last Modified: 3 months ago", because of the way the dates are rounded off on overstream.net (e.g., for 1 months X days and 2 months X days the days are still shown, but for 3+ they are not. This also goes for all the other dates).
| Quote: | | That brought me to an interesting thought - using similar tags (categories and languages could be used, too) to suggest related overstreams. |
That is precisely my intention with the tags, and is implemented fairly universally throughout a lot of websites. If you give your overstream relevant tags, relevant other overstreams will show up in the Related Box next to your overstream on its view page. The [?] hint on the Overstream Properties page says something to this effect!
| Quote: | | This whole thing brings me to another suggestion I have already made: Share overstreams!! |
Sharing overstreams would be cool, but this needs a whole lot more thought. Think about it - you make your overstream world-editable, a blogger embeds it into their webpage, someone comes and erases the whole overstream leaving only some swearwords... etc. So world-editable (wiki-style) needs a lot of formulation.
Another option is to allow an overstream to be co-edited by a particular set of overstream users - this is actually doable. In the long run it would be nice to have groups of users, but this requires setting it up - someone has to administer the group, with permissions, etc. |
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overstream-admin
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | wtf, i must have clicked "new topic" instead of "post reply", in my previous post. Please move this appropriately, mr.admin =P and sorry for the hassle. |
I wanted to, but it turned out that merging threads is not possible in this version of PHPBB without installing the "simple merge mod", which I don't have time to do right now. So I am just leaving it here and linking to it from the other thread. |
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overstream-admin
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You could, in the statistics page where you'd show the average score and viewcount of a user, show a "completeness" count, too, showing how often they use tags, select languages and categories, write descriptions, etc. |
Yeah, that would be cool for community development By using tags I suppose you mean using "at least one tag", right? OK, noting it down as a feature. |
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waldir
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Actually, I wasnt thinking of a wiki-style overstream, though that could indeed be cool
And groups of editors would be nice too, but I actually was only thinking of allowing the overstream owner to provide one or more (say, 3, max.) users that could edit the overstream... I am not sure this would involve creating groups, perhaps an extra field in the database (lol I have no Idea how this is implemented, i might be saying rubbish), but anyway, if you think this is doable, please think of it! It would really be nice, even if we could only choose one overstreamer for collaboration in pairs.
And yes, one tag should be enough  we can't force the creativity out of the users, lol... but if you like you could implement a "points" scheme, with for example 3 or more tags counting for 100% of the tag part of the equation, 2 tags counting for 2/3, and 1 tag for 1/3... might be interesting  |
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overstream-admin
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I think their could be some specifics to include in categories/types/subtypes, things like:
Music Video
TV Show
Movie/MovieTrailer
VLog
Advertisement
News
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Yes, the categories are turning out to be problematic. Originally the categories refer to the particular conceptual category of the subtitles, of which there is basically only "captions" (same language as video, same content), "language translation" (different language from video, same content), "commentary" (any language, any content - presumably related to video content but whatever) or "video mail/postcard" (which came later, basically writing your message on top of a video, unrelated to the video content).
However, adding "Humor" there has confused things a lot, because "Humor" is a content category as opposed to a conceptual category, that is to say - if an overstream is funny, it can go into the Humor category, but at the same time it could be Captions or Language Translation or Commentary - who knows. So that was really a mistake as far as the "Categories" listing was concerned.
Probably the right move in this respect is to create another field which is something like "Type Of Content" (or something more descriptive - any ideas?), initialize all overstreams that are currently in "Humor" category as having "Type of Content"="Humor" (leaving their Category unspecified). In "Type of Content" then we could have all of those grwebguy is proposing and more.
| Quote: | | And oh yea, that "modified date" throws me off sometimes, because sometimes I collect the videos for later subtitling, and sometimes I have bigger or lower priority ones that I work on bit by bit. |
Somewhere very near the top of the feature list is a feature that will allow sorting of the overstreams on your profile page - by creation/modification dates, view counts, etc. I promise to do it soon! I am adding one more video provider now, and then I'll do this feature and some others. |
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overstream-admin
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | It would really be nice, even if we could only choose one overstreamer for collaboration in pairs. |
The part with the db field (and no, what you are saying makes sense! ) is the easy part. The hard part is handling what would happen in a scenario where both users start editing the same overstream concurrently. Making a tool collaborative is a big challenge if we were to support "true collaboration" - i.e., you would see the changes made by your collaborator to the overstream in real-time. The other solution is to provide a "lock" - whenever one user has the overstream open in Overstream Editor, the other user sees a message "This Overstream Is Being Currently Edited by One Of Your Collaborators". Realistically speaking, the second solution is feasible. |
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waldir
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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I dont think real-time collaboration is necessary. The lock proposal sounds much more reasonable to me. I mean, it would be Really Cool to have the real-time editing, but as happens with many Really Cool ideas, the efforts to implement it might now be worth the real usage it would have...
And yes, I totally agree with your previous post (IAWTP lol!) about the humor tag having confused things a bit, and also agree with your proposal to solve the problem. As for the name, I think just "Type" is fine. |
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sexspel
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That would be very usefull.
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